Jehovah's Witnesses BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS

Watchtower gospel of gobbledygook

The blood transfusion issue is still a hot item, even though the Watchtower has practically allowed all 'parts' of the blood individually, just not together!

Doesn't the Bible clearly state to "pour ALL the blood onto the ground and cover it with dust because to Jehovah the life blood belongs"?

So, how can the Watchtower leaders allow most of the parts of blood which they euphemistically call "blood fractions" YET forbid "whole blood"?

Isn't it all sacred to Jehovah,or is this a legal ruse to keep from being sued?

(I will be cursed by God for eating a whole ham sandwich but if I eat the bun,mayo,mustard,cheese,ham,pickle separately it's o-kay today.)

Remember thousands of devout obedient Jehovah's Witnesses have DIED for this blood stance.

The entire doctrine is senseless and deadly.

The Bible says nothing about blood transfusions. They didn't exist when the Old Testament and Acts were written. The Bible passages in question (kosher law) have to do with diet. Neither the Jews nor other groups oppose blood transfusions because they don't try to put a spin on something that isn't there. If the Watchtower had not issued this prohibition, no Jehovah's Witness would oppose them on Biblical grounds.

Go to Israel and try and find a super observant Orthodox Jew or Rabbi who believes that blood transfusions are against God's Law given to Moses.You can't.

-tell the truth don't be afraid-

Here are some reasons why Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept blood.
Acts 15:20 - but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
Acts 15:29 - to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication

JWs believe in the Bible as the word of God and it is for everyone's lasting benefit to follow it. We follow the Bible's command to abstain from blood stated in Acts 15:29. Eventhough we do not accept transfusion of blood, we accept others ALTERNATIVES to blood transfusion. We believe that putting any sort of blood in our body is a serious sin that we can loose our chance of the life promised by God and Jesus.
The Israelites, who ate blood, will be cut off from God's people. See Lev 17:10.

Acts 15:28,29 states to “abstain from blood”, it doesn’t stay abstain from blood of animals, or abstain from EATING/DRINKING blood. It has become a GENERAL/UNQUALIFIED instruction "abstain from blood" which is slightly different from the instructions in the Hebrew Scriptures (See Gen 9:4 - 4 Only flesh with its soul—its blood—YOU must not EAT). Animals are allowed to be eaten as long as it is PROPERLY bled. God’s faithful followers did not eat or drink any sort of blood, also human blood (YOUR midst who eats any sort of blood-Lev 17:10). Acts 15:28-29 if you notice, the abstention all pertains to the use of blood, fornication, from things strangled towards the human body. (If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”) , Notice the word, YOU and Health.

The point there is “eating and drinking blood” and transfusing blood means the blood goes IN to your body. If you are allergic to nuts, the doctor will only say, “abstain from nuts”, that covers everything, that is, nothing to be taken orally and to be transfused.

Is a subcomponent/fraction of the main components of blood, considered blood? In the case of an egg, is an egg white, egg yolk, still an egg? So for JWs the main components of blood is still blood just like an egg white is still an egg.

Is there any record of Christians and God’s faithful followers drinking any sort of blood from LIVE/dead animals or humans? Pagans drink blood of living animals, and some human blood during the early Christians time, so how come no one in the Bible was recorded doing so?

If someone also died because of wrong blood type transfused OR got AIDS and died because of blood transfusion, who will be accounted for the cause of death? The one who transfused the blood, the who one gave his blood or the one who accepted it? So in that case also, human life was sacrificed.

Have you ever wondered why in Rev 2:14, , Jesus has something AGAINST Pergamum, i.e., to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit fornication, which reflects the original instructions in Acts 15:29?. Also, Jesus has something AGAINST some in Thyatira because Jezebel misleads Jesus’ slaves to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed to idols (From the original instruction in Acts 15:20, 29)? Many years have passed when the Apostle John wrote Revelation but the instruction from Acts 15:20,29 is still in effect. So you think, the instructions in Acts 15:29 are only temporary?

Notice also that blood transfusion is not practiced until centuries later. According to wikipedia.org that it started "The first historical attempt at blood transfusion was described by the 15th-century chronicler Stefano Infessura".So do you expect the Bible to explicitly speak against medical transfusion of blood during the 1st century when during that time it wasn’t practiced? Or have you ever thought that just quoting a GENERAL instruction, i.e., to “ABSTAIN from Blood” will suffice because the instruction is timeless.

The question then is, when Acts 15 states “abstain from blood” is it only for eating and drinking blood? At that time, early Christians, understood that “abstaining from blood” means not eating and drinking it because blood transfusion is not being practiced. If it was being practiced at that time, the instruction in Acts 15 did not EXCLUDE "blood transfusion". The early Christians also understood that they won’t use blood for medical reasons, that’s why they didn’t use blood to cure epilepsy.

Making an implication that it is okay to disobey Gods law when life is involved or if you are in serious health is wrong. Question for you, is it okay to worship Satan if you know that someone will kill you if you don’t?

If you notice Acts 15:29 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication, the word abstain describes ALL (things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from things strangled, from fornication) , one can’t just choose and pick one and then exclude the rest for the preferred meaning of abstain.
Abstain qualifies ALL those things. Abstain means to hold oneself off, that is, refrain: - abstain. Are you abstaining if you are not totally holding yourself off or refraining? Do you abstain from smoking if you smoke once a week/month?

Hello to JW apologist.

ABSTAIN From ALL BLOOD ALL the TIME say you?

Question-If blood is sacred to be poured out onto the ground like dust back to Jehovah then how can some 'parts' of it not be sacred?

(I will be cursed by God for eating a whole ham sandwich but if I eat the bun,mayo,mustard,cheese,ham,pickle separately it's o-kay.)

The absurdity of the Watchtower rulings now allow any of the COMPONENTS of blood to be transfused, but not whole blood, and yet people are dying and lives and families are being ruined over a few old men who are always changing their minds on this matter.

Jehovah's Witnesses do use many products that are derived from blood banks (so called blood 'fractions') but they themselves won't donate a drop and they despise the red cross donors

-tell the truth don't be afraid-

Blood is unlike a sandwich which is a man-made mixture, blood is not. The egg white for example is still an egg but if you separate the egg white to its smaller components, then for some it is still an egg, for some it is not anymore. So using a fractionalized component of the major components of blood is a personal decision. For example, water is part of plasma but water is not blood anymore, in that logic, other JWs accept the fractionalized plasma.

The term “bloodless medicine” is gaining popularity as well. For example, “The NJ Institute for The Advancement of Bloodless Medicine and Surgery is the structured program in the region (Englewood hospital) for providing bloodless care to patients who want it.”

JWs want alternatives to blood transfusion, I think that is better choice than blatantly disobeying the instruction of the Holy Spirit in Acts 15.

No Blood 'alternatives' yet

Elective surgery is one thing but if you have sudden massive blood loss from trauma such as a car accident and you reject blood you will die as tens of thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses have over the years

The quest for blood alternatives. Despite research, artificial substitutes have not yet arrived.
http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/cover/2000_Mar_15.SIDE15.htm... - 3k -

At this time,there are NO blood alternatives there are NO blood substitues only the red cells derived from blood collections (Red Cross centers that Jehovah’s Witnesses revile) only the red cell will carry oxygen through the body.

There is NO such thing as a blood "alternative" IV's with saline solution are properly called plasma volume expanders.
When you need real oxygen transporting blood in an emergency there is no blood "substitute"

There will be in a few short years but this will not absolve the Watchtower cult for it's bogus blood ban and the tens of thousands of followers who have perished

-tell the truth don't be afraid-

JW's are missing the point that even Orthodox Jews who still keep all the Old Testament dietary laws that deal with blood do not see any conflict in accepting a blood transfusion. You see, if a man was starving and accepted a transfusion of glucose, that would provide nourishment for his body, but a blood transfusion conveys no nutritional value to the body at all. All the blood transfusions in world will not keep a starving man alive. But if you eat blood, then it has food value for the body. Only by eating blood does it become food and come under the dietary laws for absaining from blood. True to form , Jehovah's Witnesses blindly accept this man-made blood dogma from their Watchtower leaders and they have sacrificed husbands, wives, sons and daughters to a needless death in order avoid ritual shunning by members of the Kingdom hall for accepting a blood transfusion. Can you imagine your child is in a near death from a fatal accident and could live, if you allowed the doctor to administer a blood transfusion. But you don't allow it, because you don't want your friends at the Kingdom Hall to kick you out for violating their "no blood transfusion rule". As you can see from their anonymous posts, they are scared to enter a public debate in defense of this cruel doctrine. JW's have been trained to run away from public confrontations over this issue. Watchtower leaders have been mostly silent on this issue and continue to hope JW's will never get a brain that thinks for itself. So far, for over 100 years that has been the case.

JW's just continue to parrot the same old official party line. Does anyone notice that they seem to be unable to look at the blood issue objectively apart from official WT dogma? They are so scared of being kicked out of the KH for having an opinion that contradicts their Watchtower teachings that they will perform some amazing mental gymnastics to avoid seeing the error of WT teachings. If the WT has always been wrong on the blood issue, then it means that the Watchtower Society has been responsible for the death of perhaps thousands of innocent JW lives. They know that their Jehovah God will have to punish a religion that is responsible for bloodguilt on such a massive scale. God has put the facts in front of all JW's. Ignore them at your own peril.

Danny, you say: "Doesn't the Bible clearly state to "pour ALL the blood onto the ground and cover it with dust because to Jehovah the life blood belongs"?" Is that what you believe? Or is the Bible lying?

You also say: "Go to Israel and try and find a super observant Orthodox Jew or Rabbi who believes that blood transfusions are against God's Law given to Moses.You can't." Guess what! You can't find one that believes in Jesus either! So what?

The duties of the levitical priests included instructing Gods people

"...in the difference between a holy thing and a profane thing; and the difference between what is unclean and what is clean they should cause them to know.." Ezekiel 44:23

In Acts Chapter 15 known as the Jersulam Decision, was written for the new ones in Antioch, Syria and Ci li'cia to

"...keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If You carefully keep yourselves from these things, You will prosper. Good health to You!" Act 15: 23, 29, 31

The decison makers and holy spirit clearly, did not make any distinction between the things to be abstained from but, equated all things to be abstained from with, "...Good health to You.." And, it appears that the decison was limited to certain areas.

The primary reason that becoming unclean may not have been taken lightly for the people of Israel was, 'You should prove yourselves holy men to me'. Exodus 22:31

Where Do Dead Bodys Come From

On Leviticus 17:13 Israels ways of hunting employed the use of traps of which death may occur from injury sustained from the trap or from trying to escape then, the body cools off before the hunter can drain the blood.

On Leviticus 11:39 It sugjests the animal may have died for a reason other than a direct kill. Whether sickened or of natural causes, the point being, the owner may not have been aware of or around at the time of death then, the body cools off before the draining can occur.

After a cursory read of the scripture(s) in question one can see that it includes not just the touching of a dead body but also, the eating of.

Leviticus 11:1,39,40 "And Jehovah proceeded to speak to Moses and Aaron, saying to them:...Now in case any beast that is Yours for food should die...And he who eats any of its dead body will wash his garments, and he must be unclean until evening"

Leviticus 17: 1, 13, 15 "And Jehovah went on to speak to Moses, saying: "speak to Aaron and his sons and all the sons of Israel...As for any soul that eats a body [already] dead...he must in that case wash his garments and bathe in water and be unclean until the evening..."

How risky is a Blood transfusion (low)?
A comparison of transfusion risks to the risks of dying from other common causes:

Serious disease or death from transfusion: 1 chance in 200,000 / year

Death from electrocution: 1 chance in 200,000 / year

Death from drowning: 1 chance in 35,000 / year

Death from a car accident: 1 chance in 7,000 / year

Death from pneumonia or influenza: 1 chance in 3,000 / year

Death from cancer: 1 chance in 500 / year

Death from stroke or heart disease: 1 chance in 300 / year Source: Canadian Hemophilia Society

-tell the truth don't be afraid-

The core dogma of the Watchtower organization is that Jesus had his second coming 'invisibly' in the year 1914.Their entire doctrinal superstructure is built on this falsehood.

-tell the truth don't be afraid-

EVERYTHING DANNY HASZARD POST ABOUT THE WATCHTOWER LYING AND FLIP-FLOPPING ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS IS TRUE.

MY BELOVED MOTHER DIED BECAUSE OF WATCHTOWER LIES AND NOW SHE IS GONE!

Above, I have read the following:

"Is a subcomponent/fraction of the main components of blood, considered blood? In the case of an egg, is an egg white, egg yolk, still an egg? So for JWs the main components of blood is still blood just like an egg white is still an egg."

This I believe is the logic to ban substances derived from donated and stored whole blood such as red blood cells, white blood cells, plasma and platelets. Yet other substances derived from donated and stored whole blood such as haemoglobin, albumin, Factor VIII and Factor IX etc. are allowed. I also note white blood cell transfers done using a peripherial stem cell autographing procedure for cancer patients and white blood cell transfers done during breast feeding between mother and child are allowed and promoted. As well red blood cell transfers using cell savers (so called bloodless surgery) are allowed too.

There is no place in the Bible that defines what is a banned substance derived from donated and stored whole blood such as red blood cells and an acceptable substance derived from donated and stored whole blood such as haemoglobin. There is also no place in the Bible that defines when to use or not use stored blood. So who is doing the defining? A group of men called the Governing Body who have changed their doctrine many times (http://www.ajwrb.org/history/index.shtml#modern). In fact the leadership supported blood therapy before 1940.

Today, the leadership bases their interpretation on certain science and medicine literature. In support of its logic, the leadership sites the breakdown of blood in "Emergency Care" (a textbook for emergency medical technician students). The Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform on Blood (www.ajwrb.org) indicate that scientifically, the breakdown is neither authoritative nor definitive. Alternatively, consider the list of major blood components as listed in Modern Blood Banking and Transfusion Practices (pages 237-248, 1999) by Denise M. Harmening, Ph.D. "Red blood cells, RBC Aliquots, Leukocyte-reduced red blood cells, frozen - deglycerolized red blood cells, platelet concentrate, single donor plasma, cryoprecipitated antihemophilic factor, granulocyte concentrates, factor VIII concentrate, porcine factor VIII, factor IX concentrate (Prothrombin Complex), immune serum globulin, normal serum albumin, plasma protein fraction, Rho(D) immunoglobulin, antithrombin III concentrate". It is noteworthy that of the sixteen major blood components listed in this definitive and widely respected textbook on transfusion medicine, nine are definitely permitted by Jehovah's Witnesses policy.

As stated above, the approved substances from stored and donated whole blood are not based on the Bible but on scientific information. For example, the leadership’s June 15, 2000 Watchtower magazine explained albumin (found in plasma) from donated and stored blood is allowed because scientists have found albumin naturally transfers between fetus and mother during gestation. If it was good enough for God to allow natural transfers then it was good enough for the leadership. Oddly other Jehovah’s Witnesses (www.ajwrb.org) discovered that red blood cells do the same thing. It made me ask why the Governing Body did not allow red blood cells since they too naturally transferred during gestation. The logic of natural transfers made me wonder why natural white blood cell transfers during breast feeding were okay but not a white blood cell transfusion.

The six million Jehovah’s Witnesses, the medical professionals who treat them, the governments who intervene, the media who report and the public at large need to understand the absence of sound objective reasoning and lack of full disclosure exist in a leadership’s doctrine that prohibits the free choice of certain medical treatments.

Everyone should carefully review the information presented by the Associated Jehovah’s Witnesses for Reform on Blood at www.ajwrb.org and carefully listen to their medical professionals or we will continue to have to deal with what the innocent children found on the cover of the leadership’s May 22, 1994 Awake! magazine faced – premature death.

I see everyone saying that these people died explicitly from not receiving a blood transfusion...but is it possible that they would have died anyway even if they received the transfusion?

It seems to me blood transfusions are sometimes a last resort for people. I know when i was in the hospital with cancer there were many people with luekemia and other cancers who received several blood transfusions but still died from the cancer. In my honest opinion all the tranfusions might have done for them is buy them a little time. I question if it even did that. If they would have refused a tranfusion because of their faith would people be screaming that they died beacause of not receiving a blood transfusion?... even though they inevitably would have died from the cancer anyway.

Can we really say that we know for sure that the lack of the tranfusion was the reason these people died? I question if even an expert can say for sure if a blood tranfusion will save someone for certain....maybe it was just there time to go.

The more i read into the work of the Witnesses the more i feel it is truly sent by the Lord. The role these people have played in revolutionizing the surgical industry and saving lives is unparalleled. Once these alternative blood sciences are perfected it will be one of the greatest breakthroughs in medical history and IMHO will save countless lives. Surely Gods will has shown them the way. Maybe thats why some of the greatest minds in medical history are supporting there views?...no i'm sorry you people on this board know more than they do.

Its funny how the majority of you only talk about the lives lost from not receiving transfusions but the amount lost by them in the past is 1000 times greater. I'm willing to bet 99% of the people that died from supposedly not receiving them, due to there faith, would have died anyway....I know if the only thing keeping me alive was countless blood transfusions i would rather be dead anyway...who would want to live a life in that much pain just barely hanging on.

People need to do the research before they talk. If any one of you has an open mind and an ounce of anything but your pride look into the medical revolution that is unfolding before your very eyes partly due to the faith of the witnesses. If you cannot see it surely you are blind.

http://www.nataonline.com/Art.htm

If your compassionate about saving peoples lives then read it carefully and follow up on these advancements....they are on the verge of some major breakthroughs and the only thing holding them back is surely the original serpent and deceiver. Those who are of him surely do his will.

Scott Cauthorn
Sebring FL

Wow,

Denton Cooley one of the greatest and most succesful heart surgeons in the world believes and practices the JW's views. I don't think there are many greater and more succesful in that field than he. Almost makes you wonder if others should be adopting their views too. Seems to be a very advanced highly specialized field of medicine. Would force the medical community to raise its standards incredibly high. If it saves lives its worth it.

Wonderful medical advances will surely come 'synthetic blood' will be a reality soon and the Red Cross won't have to have collection centers anymore.

The point is everyone,is that the Watchtower forbids whole blood transfusions now,and has prohibited any and all blood transfusions until recent changes.

To bolster their dogma they have bragged in their own publications (that they bring to your door) how thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses have "kept their integrity to Jehovah" and DIED by the THOUSANDS for refusing blood.

Witness's refusal of transfusion costs his life

Published: Sunday, January 14, 2007
A young Jehovah's Witness's decision to refuse a blood transfusion - which eventually led to his death - has split his family along religious lines.

Jean-Claude Lavoie, 26, died in late December after refusing a transfusion while being treated for an intestinal tumour, the TQS television network reported Friday.
Lavoie's brother, who is a former Jehovah's Witness, has since launched an Internet petition calling on the federal government to make it illegal for a person to refuse treatment on religious grounds.

"The Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions for religious reasons," Jonathan Lavoie writes on the petition's website.
"This creates enormous stress for the family."
Jonathan maintains that his brother would still be alive if he had received a transfusion.

But Jean-Claude's father told TQS he is willing to accept his son's decision.
"At the beginning it was anticipated that in his case they would be able to operate without a transfusion, but there were complications," Jocelyn Lavoie said. "It's unfortunate, but it came to that.
"It's important to respect Jean-Claude's choice."

As many as 1,000 people have signed Jonathan Lavoie's petition so far.
© The Gazette (Montreal) 2007

Mr 'Scott Cauthorn,Sebring Florida' is a deceptive Jehovah's Witness troll spammer who has posted elsewhere claiming to be a non-JW

Attributing advancements in bloodless medicine primarily to the Jehovah's Witnesses fanatical no blood position.Can be like accrediting Hitler for the development of smaller fuel efficient cars because the dictator commissioned the Volkswagen.

It's the humanitarian efforts of non Jehovah's Witness researchers without much input for JW's who shun higher education (4% have a college degree) that have saved their lives.

(Actually Mr Gore did play a small crucial part in the initial promotion of the World Wide web)

-tell the truth don't be afraid-Danny Haszard

I read the following:

"The more i read into the work of the Witnesses the more i feel it is truly sent by the Lord. The role these people have played in revolutionizing the surgical industry and saving lives is unparalleled. Once these alternative blood sciences are perfected it will be one of the greatest breakthroughs in medical history and IMHO will save countless lives. …."

I also read:

“I'm willing to bet 99% of the people that died from supposedly not receiving them, due to there faith, would have died anyway....I know if the only thing keeping me alive was countless blood transfusions i would rather be dead anyway...who would want to live a life in that much pain just barely hanging on.”

Though in many cases a blood transfusion may be unnecessary to protect a patient’s health or life, there are cases where it is essential because of limited medical options or presentation (ie. serious trauma). Ask any medical doctor. No one wants a therapy or a procedure just because it sounds great. The medical and scientific information has shown that lives can be sustained and premature death can be avoided when blood or substances of blood are used properly. This has been demonstrated time and time in many trauma cases and cancer cases.

Just as with organ donation therapy and procedures, other techniques in blood medicine are being made and improved to reduce one's risk to injury or possible death from the procedure.

It should be clear that with any therapy, a person must make an informed choice to determine whether the therapy will or will not work. This is not the case with Jehovah’s Witness patients who are subject to severe shunning and loss of God if they do not follow the leadership’s direction and subject to scare tactics that blood is dangerous.

The leadership now promotes vaccinations which contain substances of blood, serums which contain substances of blood, breast feeding where supposed banned white blood cells transfer between mother to child and organ transplants which also contain some of the donor’s blood. All of these procedures carry a risk to injury and in fact the risk of premature death from an organ transplant is significantly higher than that of stored and donated blood.

The leadership (and as it seems Mr. Cauthorn) forgets that the clotting substance in blood called Factor XIII and made from 2,500 litres of donated and sotred blood was approved by the leadership in the 1970s for hemophiliacs. This was at the height of the AIDs crisis in the blood supply and thus, unlike what some suggest, the leadership offered no protection to its hemophiliac followers during these times. It wasn't until government oversight investigated the people in charge, charged and convicted these people for not properly testing the blood and created new testing and oversight methods were hemophiliacs protected.

It is interesting listening to Witnesses such as Mr. Cauthorn tout and promote bloodless surgery. One bloodless surgery technique involves having your own blood stored and then transfused back into you at a later time – this bloodless technique is actually banned by the leadership.

Bloodless proedures do involve techniques such as cell saver machines (intraoperative autologous transfusions) and hemodilution. These techniques are presently allowed by the leadership and even promoted as shown by Mr. Cauthorn. Yet both hemodilution and cell savers are actually blood transfusions of one’s own blood. The only difference is the blood outside the body is connected to a machine via a tube. There is no section in the Bible where it states blood outside of the body is okay as long as a medium called a polyethylene plastic tube is connected from human to machine and surrounds the blood from the atmosphere.

Also it appears Mr. Cauthorn forgot to say that both these two approved bloodless techniques were actually banned by the leadership until 1982 for hemodilution (June 22, 1982 Awake! magazine) and 1989 for cell savage machines (March 1, 1989 Watchtower).

As can be seen from a historical review, the leadership has completely changed course on so-called bloodless surgery techniques just as they have for organ transplants, vaccinations, substances of blood such as Factor VIII, albumin and globulins and recently the substance of blood called haemoglobin.

An absence of sound objective reasoning and lack of full disclosure exist in this leadership’s doctrine that prohibits the free choice of certain medical treatments.

As I said previously, the leadership martyred 26 innocent little children on the front cover of their May 22, 1994 Awake! magazine. This martyring especially of innocent little children needs to stop until full disclosure and sound reasoning are provided and shunning/peer pressure are eliminated.

I am not a baptized Jehovahs witness though i wish i was. I have seen the other side of many religions....and i was very unhappy with what i saw. Christ gave a commission...for those who believe that his way is the the right way....and i have found none but the Witnesses that take his work truly seriously.

It says in the bible exactly how Gods true people will be treated....just as Christ himself was. He was called a liar a criminal a blasphemer a murderer and countlsss other things. Its amazing how "true men of God" have persecuted the Witnesses just as Christ was.. and he even foretold that his true followers would be persecuted this way.

I decided I was going to really study the scripture and make sure i wasn't one of those pharisees and saducees. Claiming my righteousness but disgracing the law of the Father. "Love the Lord thy God with thy Whole heart mind and soul, and love thy neighbor as thyself. On these 2 commandments all the law and the prophets hang". People of God take these very seriously...you will know them by if they do. Someone blessing one to kill another during war is not one who is close with the Father...no matter what they wear or say.

I am one of the most skeptical people around. I had alot of questions about the scriptures that i needed to know the answers to especially if I was going to devote a large part of my life to following them and Jehovah. I searched countless religions asking thousands of questions only to be treated like an apostate for wanting to draw close to my heavenly father. It reminded me of the time during the catholic inquisition when people were persecuted and looked down upon who endevoured to really learn the bible and seek for the truth. I felt like i was unmercifully surpressed. While at the same time i was told that i was going to go to hell someday if i didn't follow in blind faith though i couldn't find anywhere in the original scriptures that stated that.

I thought to myself wow things having to do with religion are still similar to the way they were. Paul spoke of how it would be as this and so did Christ.... how it would almost all turn out like this... and i was so frustrated i felt like flipping over the collection basket when they passed it around at my local church.

When i first started testing the witnesses i was skeptical...but to this day they have answered almost all of my questions...and they haven't given me their opinion... they showed me the bible passages that stated it. I had believed firmly in the trinity based on my study of the scriptures. I had books written solely for the purpose of rationalizing it and using the bible to prove it. I brought my arsenal to the witnesses to show them that their doctrine was wrong, Christ was God....and you know what...they had 10 times more...and all there answers were based strictly on the scripture no twisting of the words or context. I reread my books on the trinity and thought to myself wow...these men truly do not know the scriture as the well as the witnesses...it was blatantly obvious i reread my books again and they seemed distorted and wrong and weak in there arguments like a man spent 2 days figuring it out. I wondered to myself can all their doctrines be as this? Heaven and Hell, Adam and Eve the original promise, Tithing the Rapture? I spent years researching them and what i found has shook my world. I have seen the antichrists and they aren't what we expect them to be. They appear as an angel of light.

All you can do is the research yourself...my words won't convince you of anything. If your passionate about God Search knock and search dilligently agin and you might find. If you want to save some time Talk to the Witnesses. They don't ask for donations they almost won't even take them when i try to give them. They have given me $100's of dollars worth of literateure which is the best in the field of theology... I was in theological school most books can't even compare to the studies the witnesses have done. And I don't testify to that other scholars who aren't even witnesses upon reading there reviews (i was skeptical) and works published are awed by the work these people have done.

I'm not a prophet so I can't say why the witnesses are taking this stance exactly... and the fruit that will come of it in years to pass. But i know damn sure i wouldn't want to bet against them and their bible based theories...oh yeah of little faith...almost all who have are proven wrong. As with any good student as it says in the scripture God reveals more to his chosen as time passes....knowledge progresses...things will change...and you can bet the witnesses won't lie about there past views if it does..

I read:

"All you can do is the research yourself...my words won't convince you of anything."

I have researched it as shown below in various posts and what I found is a leadership who is not fully disclosing or withholding key information from Jehovah's Witnesses who are about to be martyred while subjecting them to shunning if they fail to obey the leadership.

Just show me where in the Bible it says substances of blood such as red blood cells are not allowed to be transferred unless a tube is attached from the human body to machine; substances of blood such as white blood cells are not allowed to be transferred unless transferred by breast feeding organ transplantation or autographing procedures; blood transfers using some so-called bloodless techniques (eg. cell savers) are allowed but other blood transfers using bloodless techniques (storing one's own blood for later and then transferring the whole blood back into the body) are banned; and; substances from blood such as albumin and haemoglobin are allowed.

I also read:

"But i know damn sure i wouldn't want to bet against them and their bible based theories...oh yeah of little faith...almost all who have are proven wrong. As with any good student as it says in the scripture God reveals more to his chosen as time passes....knowledge progresses...things will change...and you can bet the witnesses won't lie about there past views if it does.."

If the light truly was getting brighter, the leadership would not have changed and reversed and in some cases re-reversed their blood stance during the past 62 years - http://www.ajwrb.org/history/index.shtml#evolution, nor would they have changed and reversed their stance on vaccinations, nor would they have changed and reversed their stance on organ transplants nor would they have predicted the end of the world at least a dozen times including the famed 1914, 1915 and 1925 predictions.

Help a person avoid premature death or help a person sustain their life - www.ajwrb.org

Mr 'Scott Cauthorn' say's:

""I am not a baptized Jehovahs witness though i wish i was....""

Let's get something straight up here.We can't reach out and see/touch you in cyberspace,but going by your watchtower sales pitch sermon there is a 90% chance you are a longtime card carrying practicing Jehovah's Witness.

Don't lie about

I really am not a baptized witness. Its pretty simple...

I told you i study the bible with them but to attend a church and to be baptised into that same churches belief system are 2 different things. I was baptised catholic before i knew what religion was. The witnesses take baptism very seriously as does God...I'm at the point in my life where i need to grow stronger in my faith and especially my works(James) before i can take that serious of a step. With man its one thing but with God his standards are high...as were Christs. Apparently you know very little about the witnesses. I'm willing to bet most of the people on this board who are speaking out against them are the same as you. It might benefit you to read more into there literature. The most important part is when you think you have figured out how their wrong in there interpretation of the scripture...make sure you ask them about it and give them a chance to show their reasoning. If you don't allow them to do this how will you really ever know for sure?

Remember to ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and Me. Don't assume your always right, be opened minded and seek the truth. It will come.

Another watchtower recruitment sales pitch you folks are the insufferable spammers of the world

{Oh,I know....your 'counting your field service time' posting here,well it sure beats knocking on doors.You get the same response though,we are not interested today}

"For he who doubts let him expect nothing"

If i accept a blood tranfusion i will not be shunned by the witnesses. So shunning is eliminated. They allow me the choice as does God but he warns against it as they warn against it too.

Science has already embraced the fact that the tranfusion of blood has many problems and issues, maybe thats why God warns about its use in the scriptures. Maybe this whole scenerio was put in place to help us to understand how important the alternatives are and that if we use the alternative methods the amount of lives saved in the long run will be far grater the those lost overall. Look at others who have used the altenative techniques and the success they've had. Are you a prophet? do you know for sure that this is not Gods way of leading us to a higher good? Would you have saved Christ from his crucifixion knowing what you know today?

If these were people that were not loyal to God i might think differently but these people are the greatest extension of Christs love this world has seen to date... and I believe the choices they have made will lead to a higher good. Do some reserch into it. I know for a fact the knowledge their views have helped to bring about even to this day has saved more lives than all those 26 lost, countless times over. And we don't even know if the 26 would have surely lived if they had got a transufusion.

What about those people that were saved because of there stubborness to follow the scripture... and the advances in medicine that stubborness has brought about? Its funny how you never mention them. I'm sure Denton Cooley will testify to that.

WWJD
Would Jesus intrude/trespass door to door with watchtower literature and ask for donations? THINK

The reason the Watchtower came into existence in 1870 was to declare that Jesus would have his second coming in the year 1914,and to preach that he is working "invisibly" through them.

Who are Jehovah's Witnesses? A.B.C's. Watchtower dogma basics of an apocalyptic cult.

(A) The central CORE doctrine of the Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses is that Jesus had his 'return to power'(aka second coming) in 1914

(B) There is no impending Watchtower's 'end of the world' Armageddon that will destroy 6.5 billion non-Jehovah's Witnesses (just because they don't obey the watchtower) and install watchtower leaders as the earth's rulers.

This IS their message.

(C) Consequently,NO Watchtower "new system" so all JW members will grow old and die just like everybody else

Moreover,your Watchtower masters say over 99% of JW's alive today will NOT go to heaven,as only a limited 144,000 in all of human history go to heaven.

So,what is the final disposition of the JW cult disciple?
Growing old and dying just like normal folks.

The core dogma of the Watchtower by their own admission in hundreds of MILLIONS of issues of their publications,yes entire forest have been denuded for paper to print up 1914.This doctrine is to JW what Mary is to Catholics or Joseph Smith is to Mormons.

1914 is from the Millerite Adventist movement of 1842 which was already debunked way back then.

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There has undeniably been an immense advancement in the treatment of bloodless medicine. The world's most renowned surgeons have adopted these techniques, and nonblood medical management centres are springing up all over the world. What are you going to do one day when you have been admitted to hospital and need an operation, only for the surgeon to tell you that you won't be having a blood transfusion as they don't do them any more. What are you going to do, cry and have a tantrum that you want blood? Or are you going to be grateful that medical science has advanced to the stage that you can be treated in a far superior way, with a 0% chance of gettingAIDS or some other life threatening disease? OK, you may say blood is screened, but this is not the case the world over, and even in countries where it is being done, there is no %100 guarantee that you are recieving safe blood. There is no such thing as safe blood. The number of people who have died directly from receiving a blood transfusion is significantly higher than those who have died from refusing a transfusion, yet, this is conveniently left out of such debates. Statistics also show that those who take the non blood option recover far quicker than those who have accepted a transfusion. Blood is as individual as your fingerprint, it's totally unique to you. No one in the world has an identical blood match to you. Regarding the change of attitude, I don't think there has been. What has happened is that because fractions are involved instead of whole blood, it has been left to the individual's own Bible trained concience as to whether they feel that accepting products that contain blood fractions would jeopardise their standing before Jehovah their God. At the end of the day, you, I, and everyone else on this planet will be answerable to God for what we have chosen to do, whatever that may be. If we ridicule people for their beliefs, whatever they maybe, simply proves beyond any doubt that we have no right to call ourselves a Christian, as Christ would not have acted in such a way. Christian means "follower of Christ", and personally, I completely admire the Witnesses for their loyalty to their God, and not what some on this board seem to think is loyalty to men. The Bible commands that you must obey God as ruler rather than men, and I firmly believe that the Witnesses do just that. How many millions of gallons of blood have been lost through the wars of this world? One thing that can be stated with accuracy is that not one Jehovah's Witness caused the loss of a single drop of that blood. They do not get involved in the politics of the world, they do not take up arms against another country or race. They are a peace loving, law abiding body of people, and it's a great shame that there are not more like them in the world. They treat life and blood with an immense amount of respect, unlike other religions who pray for their country to win a war at all costs no matter how many lives are lost. They obviously want to make sure that what they choose to do will gain them their God's approval. One thing that will never change is their stand on receiving whole blood. For those who choose the Bible trained-conscience routes of cellsavers or products that contain blood fractions, I sincerely hope that their God will look down on them with the greatest of approval for doing their level best to follow him and his commandments. As for the ridiculers, the Bible has the answer for them to. Look it up!

STOP JEHOVAH SPAMMING! another JW troll sales pitch

-tell the truth don't be afraid-